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CommentAuthormasantula
- CommentTimeDec 8th 2009 edited
An animal life is not comparable to a human life.
Sure, it's terrible when someone kills an animal simply for enjoyment, but to take their life for it is a pretty harsh punishment. People like that belong either in jail, or in a mental hospital, because they likely have some emotional disorder that was never treated.
Either way, people kill things like bugs all the time, and no one cares about that. Why is it so much worse to kill an animal than a bug? Is it because animals are cute and fuzzy and bugs are not?
Exactly, not even humans should be put to death, let alone people who kill animals. Now, I'm not being cruel but the human life is more important. I'm sure you've eaten meat at one point in your life and if you haven't you've killed a rat, a fly, a mosquito, some type of animal. By your reasoning, you'd be put to death for that.
Yes I have, because they kept me awake not because I wanted to. My point is killing an animal for no reason is sadistic behaviour and often turns to humans.
There's jails or psychiatric wards for that. No need for the death penalty against those type of people.
The same can be said for rapists, no one is born with a happy familiy and decieds to rape. People go through bad expericnes and it effects there judgment on the real world. The point I am making is killing a person is equal to killing an animal. No it can't tell you it's in pain, no it isn't going to stop you. Neither is a baby child but that is still HIGHLY illegal but animals seems to put below this because there "disposable". And if "aliens" did do that they would have to kill every single organism on the planet since all life forms (canrivors anyway) eat another species to service sometimes there own yet it is often human interferance which upsets the balance of nature. Nature order is there due to evolution and is truly the right thing, variations are there yes but killing a LIVING creature is horrible, I feel bad myself for killing a snails if I don't see it. And you miss my point eating an animal for food is fine it is survival and keeps nature in balance, killing for fur (long as you eat it as well) is fine because if its dead your making the most out of it. Killing simply to take anothers life is sick and evil, regardless of the species. I have hits bees when they were a threat to me yes, it is only logical self-preservation to do so. Never killed a rat though find them kinda cute.
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CommentAuthorLevi666
- CommentTimeDec 8th 2009 edited
People are animals. The problem with the 'humans' are superior argument is that it often is supported by unproven religious doctrines about the existence of a soul or is based upon the capabilities of a human being.
Not really, the argument that Humans are superior is based on our intelligence and reasoning. An animal cannot reason with a Human, not only because it cannot speak, but because it's brain isn't developed enough. Killing a Human is different than killing an animal, because an animal has no real concept of what life and death is.
And imagine that there are advanced aliens who come to Earth one day. They are far more intelligent than us. They decide that since we as a species eat other species that closely related to us then we are untrustworthy and kill us all as being a threat to other intelligent life forms. Would their reaction be unreasonable? Why?
It's still not the same thing, even if they're more intelligent than us, our brains are still complex enough to have that concept of life and death, and since we're naturally curious creatures, we're constantly searching for new knowledge. The desire for knowledge is really what separates animals from Humans.
You underestimate the Human brain, either way. Even if Aliens know more than we do, who's to say that they are more intelligent? It's more likely that they've just been around longer than us, so they've had time to research more advanced technology than us. Your argument is more like asking if it'd be okay for modern Humans to kill people from the Stone Age.
Oh, and what species do we eat that are closely related to us? Cows aren't very closely related, and it's very uncommon for people to eat something like a monkey. -
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CommentAuthormasantula
- CommentTimeDec 8th 2009 edited
People are animals. The problem with the 'humans' are superior argument is that it often is supported by unproven religious doctrines about the existence of a soul or is based upon the capabilities of a human being.
Not really, the argument that Humans are superior is based on our intelligence and reasoning. An animal cannot reason with a Human, not only because it cannot speak, but because it's brain isn't developed enough. Killing a Human is different than killing an animal, because an animal has no real concept of what life and death is.
And imagine that there are advanced aliens who come to Earth one day. They are far more intelligent than us. They decide that since we as a species eat other species that closely related to us then we are untrustworthy and kill us all as being a threat to other intelligent life forms. Would their reaction be unreasonable? Why?
It's still not the same thing, even if they're more intelligent than us, our brains are still complex enough to have that concept of life and death, and since we're naturally curious creatures, we're constantly searching for new knowledge. The desire for knowledge is really what separates animals from Humans.
You underestimate the Human brain, either way. Even if Aliens know more than we do, who's to say that they are more intelligent? It's more likely that they've just been around longer than us, so they've had time to research more advanced technology than us. Your argument is more like asking if it'd be okay for modern Humans to kill people from the Stone Age.
Oh, and what species do we eat that are closely related to us? Cows aren't very closely related, and it's very uncommon for people to eat something like a monkey.
Humans have the ability to think, and create art. But we are not rational nor smart, if we were then religion would not be here as we fear our own deaths. -
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CommentAuthorLevi666
- CommentTimeDec 8th 2009 edited
Humans have the ability to think But we are not rational Lol, Contradiction.
if we were then religion would not be here as we fear our own deaths. Because Hinduism, Judaism, Christianity, and Islam were all founded within our Lifetime. Do we have to bring up the Stone Age comment again?
Most religions were founded in the Early Days of Humanity when we were still striving for understanding and knowledge of our place in the Universe. Nor is it your place to say that it's wrong just because you disagree with the concept.
And stop bringing up religion in a thread about Animal Cruelty, you're going on with a completely different subject entirely. -
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CommentAuthorTheSaiyan
- CommentTimeDec 8th 2009 edited
I don't dare hit bee's for fear they'll sting me.
. But anyway, I just personally value the human life over animal life because of intelligence. If aliens who were more intelligent then humans decided they were intelligent and were better then us and decided to do that type of thing, I'd expect no less then a jail sentence but I wouldn't want all aliens to be put to death, even if they were doing the same to us.
Of course hurting animals for pleasure is completely wrong and I don't see that as cool or funny. But I think people who do so should get the same treatment as a person who has killed a human not worse. People still do have the death penalty, in states or countries that do should that person be put to death for killing an animal? That I'd say isn't right even though human are animals and we're equal to them. -
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CommentAuthorreed1codex
- CommentTimeDec 8th 2009
As a Muslim i believe the humans has the highest priority in the universe, but still people killing animals for no reason is wrong and should be punished for brutality without a reason or a valid reason. -